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Vincent_Madison
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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: Gold Pass Game Summary |
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Summary of clues found to date in the OWA 'Gold Pass' game.
NOTE: To be eligible to win, you must register at our new FlyOWA / LOST Forum at: http://www.oceanicworldairlines.com/phpBB3/index.php
An updated summary and the actual game is now on the new forum.
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Thanks for starting the thread, Vincent.
| Quote: | | The 'Gold Passes' will be awarded on April 1st 2008. The winners will be determined by judging the passengers participation, teamwork and clue solving. Post your answers and discussion about what is going on in the 'Gold Pass' thread on this forum. |
The new flights thread was opened: http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/
AJ's analysis of the thread links:
ETA:If any of these are old I apologize.
Flight 101 links to highway 101. Saturday X links to old pic of On The Soul
Flight 108 pic named valenzetti leads to a link here. http://webopac.tnrdlib.bc.ca/webOpac/index.php. Maybe we'll be looking for some more books.
131 links to highway 101 billboard.
207 has no link yet. B747 links to an incident report of flight 023 on 11/16/2000.
213 links to our flight 213 status pg.
214 links to Miri's computer screen showing an email she sent to JLjr. At least i assume it's JLjr. Maybe she knew JLsr.
221, 228 306, 313, & 320 link to a pg that reads 'Flight Information is not currently available - please try again later...'
755 links to our 755 map pg. ??? links to out pic of the Helgus Appolonius.
816 & 817 link to to a pg that reads 'Flight Information is not currently available - please try again later...' The 1 links to an incident report for flight 815
The rest of the links on the pg are old links from our other flights.
Rain posted this image of the book lying next to the computer screen:
The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon.
AJ got the phone number from the notepad - which is to the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute
He also noted the other number (Call Miri) was a California number. He tried all possible combinations, but none were in service. Later we found out that Miri had shut her phone service off after receiving a call from a Robert, which frightened her. Turns out that was Robert from the Lost Gunmen, but she didn't know.
Other items from the notepad:
JL=D. IW speculates this is John Latham=Desmond, which Vincent comments is "interesting." This is followed by a word that is hard to make out, but Juju points to "Exhumation" which looks like it could be right.
6 followed by the letters H, J, J, K, S, S. AJ guesses the Oceanic Six - Hurley, Jack, Jin, Kate, Sun and Sayid. *not speculating further as this is venturing into spoiler territory until the show airs*
After the Woods Hole Number "Tony" "March" "$" - speculating that someone named Tony from the Institute is needed to dive somewhere in March, and this will cost money?
Jeannie notes that flights "221, 228 306, 313, & 320 which link to try again later pages could be dates as in Feb 21st, 28th, March 6, 13, and 20 - which correspond to the airdates for the last 5 Lost episodes in the new shortened season.
AJ: | Quote: | Don't know if it was intentional or not, but there is a typo on the flight 815 incident report Commission is misspelled with only one S.
File number of 815 report is 42815
File number of 023 report is 23518
Both flights have identical weather information
And I'm wondering why the 815 report has Sydney at the top of the page and the 023 report has Funafuti, South Pacific if both planes left from Sydney. |
Pen notes that there is a 6 when you hold your mouse over the picture of the island... Oceanic 6 again?
AJ again:
| Quote: | After rain identified "The Crying of Lot 49". I thought nothing of it. Just now I remembered finding http://webopac.tnrdlib.bc.ca/webOpac/index.php I even made a comment about finding more books. DUMMY!
Anyway, this is what I found out.
Published in 1986 c1966
Call number - PYN
ISBN - 006091307X
There is one copy available for hold. Here's the kicker. Guess where the branch location is. North Kamloops. |
He later called the library after it was suggested maybe a note had been left in or around the book, but that was no good.
Rain noted that the link from the cds on the picture, which had earlier been showing "transmission intercepted" now leads to a link, http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/transmission.mp3
This appears to be Morse Code. As of now, no one has been able to translate it. AJ revered it as well and it is the same. He speculates it could be Miri's number, but has had no luck.
AJ found the following Anthonys (Tony) at Woods Hole Institute:
1 Anthony Delane _Facilities ____Iselin 28
adelane@whoi.edu More »
2 Anthony V. Dispezio Biology More »
3 Anthony Kirincich _Physical Oceanography____Clark 316A 21 akirincich@whoi.edu +1 508 289 2629 More »
4 Anthony D. Mello R/V Oceanus amello@whoi.edu More »
5 Anthony Reveira R/V Knorr More »
6 ANTHONY SKINNER R/V Knorr askinner@whoi.edu More »
7 Anthony Tarantino Operational Scientific Services Smith 301 17 atarantino@whoi.edu
This brings us to the bottom of page 3.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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JLJr's blog, as found by AJ:
Wednesday, January 02, 2008
| Quote: | Looking for answers...
Well friends, I know I have kept a low profile recently, but that does not mean that the threat is over. Far from it. Look around you and you will see that there are certain people who will not stop from finding the answer to what happened to Flight 815. There are people who know a lot about the cover-up, but are afraid to talk. Props to those that have the courage to speak out. My father was killed because of the conspiracy, and I almost lost my life too. If you can help out, you know where to go and who to contact. There are others who can help too.
JLjr
And then who do I see as JRjr's first friend? Miri. |
That led him to The Lost Gunmen, whose website was shut down, but who have started a new blog: http://thelostgunmen.blogspot.com/
| Quote: | Friday, January 4, 2008
We're back!
For those of you who do not know us - we are The LOST Gunmen, and we are dedicated to seeking out the truth and exposing those that try to hide the truth from us all.
There is a huge conspiracy going on about the disappearance of Oceanic Flight 815. We have been working undercover for the past six months investigating the people we think are involved with this conspiracy - and let me tell you - it is huge.
We will publish all that we find here at 'The LOST Gunmen' - our online conspiracy-busting blog - for as long as we are able.
There is a good chance that we will get shut down, as the people behind this are very powerful, but if we do, we will find a way to get the word out, as we did when our website was shut down last year.
So - if you are also looking for the truth, join us here and let us know what you think.
Robert F. Bond
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Miri's Blog:
| Quote: | Flight 815
So a lot of people are asking about Oceanic and Sam. I never met Sam. From what I know he worked in IT at Oceanic. I just want to help find out what happened to Flight 815 like everyone else. I think Sam is going a little overboard and drawing attention to himself and that could prove dangerous for him. That is not something I want to do, so please try to understand if I am not going all out like him doing TV interviews and stuff. I am just like the rest of you here - trying to find the truth, but I am not willing to get so involved like Sam is. I need my job. |
AJ emailed her offering help, and received a reply:
| Quote: | I had my phone disconnected. I thought they were on to me. They may be the people who hacked my email to JLjr.
I got a weird call before I got the phone disconnected from someone who said his name was Robert and he wanted to know what I knew about Flight 815. I panicked I guess, because I thought it was the bad guys faking it. I don't know who is on what side any more.
I got no idea who Tony or Anthony is.
Thanks for your help AJ! |
From TLG's comments:
| Quote: | AJ, That WAS me that called Miri.
...and to be honest - it was us that 'hacked' her email. We stop at nothing to uncover the truth. You think we might have scared her?? |
Jeannie noted the BF Skinner/Anthony Skinner name connection and mentioned that Sawyer was in a "Skinner Box" in the cage. Again, just speculation - whether it ties into anything is unknown at this time.
The picture on the monitor of Miri's computer changed. It now shows a webpage which AJ identified as http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=10737
Information on the Woods Hole Institute and it's history.
Pen speculates:
| Quote: | Okay - Vincent thought the JL / Desmond post by IW was interesting.
soooo.......I'm wondering this now, could JLjr be related to Desmond? could he BE Desmond? Or a child of Desmond's from Penny -- which could work if somehow "time" is involved in the ability of our JLjr contact to be talking with us at this point in OUR time....
**head spins**
Another few points: The exhumation word is interesting -- and I think very important. We are looking for the truth behind 815 -- perhaps some of the truth will involve exhuming the known deceased. Exhume John Lantham - the casket Jack was at?????? |
Juju:
| Quote: | it looks like they're really interested in the geothermal vents, underwater zoological activity and going really, really, really deep.
maybe exhumation of the supposed "dead" bodies of 815? |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | Hmm... Woods Hole investigated a "Lost City"
Quote:
Lost City is a field of hydrothermal vents in the mid-Atlantic ocean that differ significantly from the black smoker vents found in the late 1970s. The vents were discovered in December 2000 during a National Science Foundation expedition to the mid-Atlantic. A second expedition mounted in 2003 used DSV Alvin to explore the vents. The details of the chemistry and biology of the Lost City hydrothermal field were published in March 2005.
Apologies for killing a Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_City_(hydrothermal_field)
My mind leaps to the new Lost Trailer with the city showing as a reflection under the island, though that may mean nothing. Just sort of free associating here. |
AJ replies:
| Quote: | | Intersting find Jeannie. Black smoke vents? Smokey? If you saw Pirates of the Caribbean 3 you'll know what I'm talking about. Jack Sparrow was in purgatory and to get back to real time they had to flip the ship over. Maybe no one can find Craphole Island, because it's in an inverted universe. Not purgatory of course, because we know they aren't there. Which would explain why the looking glass was under water. Just a silly thought. |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | | you know... underwater might explain why they need a submarine to get to the island... |
Pen:
| Quote: | | ana also - speaking of water, we still have the ALIIED MERCHANTS link on OWA so I am guessing it is relevant and could be something assisting in the necessity of the underwater hatch, submarine, etc. |
Juju gives the information for Woods Hole:
just in case we want to fax them a plea for clue gathering:
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI)
Information Office
Co-op Building, MS #16
Woods Hole, MA 02543
Phone: (508)289-2252
Fax: (508)457-2180
information@whoi.edu
IW:
| Quote: | n reviewing the new email on the 207 on the flight page, (Which I can not get to load completely ) I see it notes that the Alvin did research for Cal Tech, located in Pasadena Ca. They collected coral and something else I can't read, but expediton was called off due to extended bad weather. It would be interesting to me if Cal Tech is part of our conspiricy.
A little sumthin sumthin on Cal Tech (At least the dept that would be possibly involved):
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/ |
That takes us to the bottom of page 5. I will continue to update as we go along. Since Vincent isn't really confirming a lot,  I've included some speculation which may prove useless later, but at this point we really don't know.
Hope this helps everyone!
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For easy reference:
The Lost Gunmen's myspace is http://www.myspace.com/thelostgunmen
JL is http://www.myspace.com/johnlantham
TLG's blog is http://thelostgunmen.blogspot.com/
AJ figured out the Morse Code transmission, which says "Oceanic flight eight one five."
Rain posted a Wiki summary of The Crying of Lot 49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crying_of_lot_49
Pen noted this about the "Sam" on the notepad:
| Quote: | While it appears that the Sam reference from Miri is a nod at the flashy new "official" game character, I just wanted to reference the many "Sam" characters from the show:
Sam Austen, Kate's nonbiological father
Sam Hicks, member on the Hanso Foundation Board of Directors
Sam Thomas, former IT Technician for Oceanic Airlines
Sam Toomey, who worked at the listening post with Leonard Simms
The interesting one beyond the IT Sam is SAM TOOMEY - who was at the listening post, with Leonard. Isn't he the one who gave Hurley the numbers. |
Pen noted that the billboard picture linked from flight 131 now has phrases that appear when you hover the cursor over certain parts of the picture.
The phrases are:
Check the Records
Desmond is the key
Zelle
Targ
M.N. knows what this is
How far is Widmore willing to go
Who is she?
Jeannie found that the flight 221 link now leads to this picture:
http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/221.htm
montage of pictures - Richard, Naomi hanging from the tree, the satellite phone, future (bearded) Jack on a cell phone, Sayid with a radio, Hurley thinking, the back of the Black Rock
Emails were sent to Miri (M.N.) John, and Robert of TLG telling them what we had found and asking for help.
Pen noted:
| Quote: | | I would note that in the picture Jeannie found at the Flight 221 link, we have FOUR pieces of electronic communication visible - two are confirmed by site alone as cell phones. Jack has one and the other is the new-fangled phone Naomi had. There is another under Richard's pic - is that Sawyer with a cell phone, and there is Sayid with the transmitter/walkie-talkie devide. |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | | Seriously, that new picture has (as Pen pointed out in chat - and above in her edit, lol) like 4 different phones/methods of communication. It's probably nothing, but The Crying of Lot 49 was a story on a conspiracy involving a secondary underground mail service, which was the fastest form of communication at the time. |
Because of the JL=D comment on the memo pad, Rain sent JL,Jr. a message asking if this was a picture of his dad, and sending a picture of Desmond.
IW said that because "Check the records" appears over the boat the Elizabeth, maybe those are the records we need to check.
Pen:
| Quote: | | since IW mentioned records on a boat -- don't forget Charlie's message to Desmond -- "Not Penny's Boat." Perhaps this little tidbit of information is why Desmond is the key? |
IW:
| Quote: | | Maybe Desmond KNOWS who's boat it is, since he seems to have more "insight" into future events. And the word "Boat" seems to bother me. Wasn't it a SHIP? Big difference... just thinking out loud. |
Pen noted that on Miri's MySpace she wants to meet Jose Senovilla:
| Quote: | http://tp.lc.ehu.es/seno.html <--- he has a website.
Googling him further reveals he is interested in this: String Theorists Support Moving Dimensions Theory's postulate that Dark Energy is caused by the slowing of a Fourth Dimension Expanding Relative to The Three Spatial Dimensions Options
When astronomers observed a decade ago that supernovae are apparently
spreading apart faster as the universe ages, they assumed that
something must be causing the expansion of the universe to speed up.
But so far, nobody has been able to explain where the "dark energy"
causing this acceleration comes from.
Now José Senovilla at the University of the Basque Country in Bilbao,
Spain, and his colleagues have a radical answer - we are fooled into
thinking that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, because
time itself is slowing down." |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | | The Spanish on Jose's website says "To abstain from all pleasure to live many years, only serves to live many years abstaining from all pleasure." |
| Quote: | Miri also has this quote on her myspace:
"Things are not what they appear to be: nor are they otherwise." -Surangama Sutra
I killed a wiki on the author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shurangama_Sutra
This is not so much a person but a text from China.
Of note in the Wiki:
In Buddhism all the sutras are very important, but the Shurangama Sutra is even more important. Wherever the Shurangama Sutra is, the Proper Dharma abides in the world. When the Shurangama Sutra is gone, that is a sign of the Dharma Ending Age. In the Extinction of the Dharma Sutra it says that in the Dharma Ending Age, the Shurangama Sutra will become extinct first. Then gradually the other Sutras will also become extinct. The Shurangama Sutra is the true body of the Buddha; the sharira [relics] of the Buddha; the stupa of the Buddha."
I keep thinking of the temple stuff on the island when I read the paragraph above. Extinction jumps out at me too -- given the ancient ruins on the island. And Miri likes to quote this text----so I'm sure its not just there for filler on her myspace. It has to fit into a larger puzzle here somehow. |
IW:
| Quote: | Ok, Now there is a "2F" and a "3F" on our billboard photo, in the grass by Walt? Hmm... seat numbers?
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Miri's answer (referring to the Dharma symbol:
| Quote: | When I was working an Oceanic flight to Portland, there was a man on the flight with papers with that symbol and the test "Dharma Stigma".
Miri |
AJ:
]quote]Lets assume that each mouse over is significant to the person or object it is over.
The Sigma symbol was specific to Miri and she answered it.
We need to check the records of Penny's Boat.
Penny's Zelle or Cell
Walt is a Targ or Target
Is Desmond the Key? Picture of Charlie so Is Desmond the key to getting off the island. Because of his "visions" Charlie didn't die until he turned on the beacon. Thus the boat was able to get to the island.
Who is she? Gotta look into this one.
What do the 2F and 3F mean?
How far will Widmore go? Good question. Pretty far I think.[/quote]
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Summary Beginning at page 10 of thread:
Rainflowerdentified the lady on Walt’s pantleg in the 131 image to be Libby, as portrayed by Cynthia Watros.
Rain : “The Elizabeth” was originally Libby’s boat – yet when you highlight over the boat, it says “check the records” and is spray painted “Penny’s Boat.”
Robert responded to an email sent by Jeannie:
| Quote: | "Margaretha Geertruida (Grietje) Zelle may be of some help to you....
We are looking into the records of the Elizabeth. From what we can tell, the boat was not originally owned by Libby's husband, but we are having trouble tracing who did originally own it.
Watch our blog for info - we are close to a big breakthrough...
RFB/tlg" |
Jeannie posited:
So is someone a Mata Hari? A double agent? Libby? Penelope, since the word Zelle appears over her picture?
And she quoted:
Killing a Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mata_Hari
| Quote: | During World War I, the Netherlands remained neutral. As a Dutch subject, Margaretha Zelle was thus able to cross national borders freely. To avoid the battlefields, she traveled between France and the Netherlands via Spain and Britain, and her movements inevitably attracted attention. She was a courtesan to many high-ranking allied military officers during this time. On one occasion, when interviewed by British intelligence officers, she admitted to working as an agent for French military intelligence, although the latter would not confirm her story. It is unclear if she lied on this occasion, believing the story made her sound more intriguing, or if French authorities were using her in such a way, but would not acknowledge her due to the embarrassment and international backlash it could cause.
In January 1917, the German military attaché in Madrid transmitted radio messages to Berlin describing the helpful activities of a German spy, code-named H-21. French intelligence agents intercepted the messages and, from the information they contained, identified H-21 as Mata Hari. Remarkably, the messages were in a code that German intelligence knew had already been broken by the French, leaving some historians to suspect that the messages were contrived. |
A new post from the Lost Gunmen:
| Quote: | /[i]Monday, January 7, 2008
Looking back
Steve Dorland - one of the three LOST Gunmen, has been working on a very cool idea for several years. He figured one day while looking up at the stars that since we were actually looking at the stars way back in the past (due to the amount of time it takes light from them to reach earth) that if we were up there looking back at the earth, then we would be looking at the earth in the past. He figured that with the right technology - high definition imaging - you could zoom in like a spy satellite and actually look into the past - ex: see who was really on the grassy knoll in November 1963 and what they did.
The project - called Project Magist-6 had one problem - light from 1963 leaves the earth at 186,282.397 miles per second, meaning that by 2008, it would be - well 45 light years from earth. It would take another 45 years to return that light to earth under normal conditions, not to mention the issue of capturing the image. So the project seemed doomed to failure, then in 2004 we unexpectedly discovered an earth radio transmission from 1945 from radio station WXR, which seemed to be originating from Meissa - a star in the Orion group - approx 1000 light years from earth.
The transmission was originating from a star 1000 light years away. How could a transmission from 1945 travel 1000 light years to Meissa and 1000 light years back to earth in only 59 years? Logic would say it would take 2000 years!
Something was providing a shortcut - and what a shortcut! It meant that the transmission was originating from Meissa in approx 1004 A.D. !!! - over 900 years BEFORE it ever happened!
Malcolm called it the Todd Effect (after Mrs. Todd's Shortcut). Yup - Malcolm is a Stephen King nut.
Our challenge would be to find other portals that matched the time period we wanted to look at. It was like a radio where the dial is fixed to a single station. The Meissa Portal only fed us information from 59 years ago. We needed to find one that would be tuned to 1963 or whatever other time that we wanted to look at. Stevie made it his obsession to find other portals and he virtually shut himself in the lab for 3 years working on it. He discovered 5 additional portals - providing information from 127 years ago, 71 years ago, 20 years ago, 2 years ago and 1 year in the future!
Malcolm spent a great deal of time capturing both audio and video images from the portals. We were only able to capture a small sample of recorded video data due to the huge storage requirements. We were able to record more audio as it required considerably less storage.
There is some interesting stuff. Talk about a new way of learning history - it is like being there! |
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Pen:
I am wondering if the "6" on the webcam image is a portal designation, given the TLG blog that there are six portals. That would be more relevant for our purposes than a nod at the Oceanic Six. If that is the case - then one of the portals mentioned in TLG'S blog is the island. Which totally makes sense, as to why 815 is so difficult to find.
Rain:
Flight 228 points to a painting now:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g203/1Penelope/228.jpg
Island Wahine identified it as a painting from the Crying Lot
http://www.turingmachine.org/remedios/picture11.html
Jeannie The Painting is Embroidering the Earth's Mantle by Remedios Varo and another wiki died:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedios_Varo
IW: | Quote: | So now we know what we are supposed to get out of the Crying Lot and Mada Hari. It is the conspiracy. I think it is refering to Penny and Desmond. I think she may be a double agent sorta, but against her will, possibly her father has threatened to kill Desmond or something. She may still be trying to help Desmond, but forced to do otherwise....
Grant Robertson who wrote the recap on Crying Lot, had this to say and I agree:
Personally, I believe that Pynchon is trying to prove that people are continuously given choices, though it is the individual’s choices that represent who they are and where their life may go, letting there be no “right” answer to any situation. Both Oedipa and Truman make choices, not knowing where they might lead, but they follow their gut instinct. |
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Super jumped back into the game with this post:
| Quote: | Walt is a targ. This guy named Russell Targ wrote a bunch of books about the mind, psychic abilities, remote viewing, etc. Holy cow, look at the titles associated with his name! Apparently he taught ESP to the CIA.
Here's his bio: http://www.parapsych.org/members/r_targ.html |
Vincent confirmed that Super was correct. He also confirmed IW’s identification of the painting and theories were spot on.
AJ to TLG:
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Based on Steve's findings and the transmission he received, "Oceanic Flight Eight One Five." Is it safe to assume that in March we will be renting the Alvin to investigate a possible portal to Craphole Island?)
Response by TLG:.
Actually AJ, our plan was to rent the Alvin to go to the Sunda Trench to explore the area where Oceanic Flight 815 was supposedly found, but your idea is a good one.
Rain:
Killed Trench is also known as the Java Trench.
A key post by TLG:
| Quote: | Oh - also - the intercepted transmission has more than just "Oceanic Flight Eight One Five." It said:
"Oceanic has looked everywhere for eight fifteen. You know why they can’t find it. The problem is that there are certain people snooping around looking for answers that cannot be found. So we need to put an end to that. Find a place where you can find eight fifteen and then make it go away."
This transmission came from Portal S-02 which has information from two years before present time.
We recorded it on December 23rd 2006, so it was broadcast live on December 23rd 2004. |
Super:
| Quote: | | That picture of Sayid and Charlie - isn't that the scene where they hear the music (Moonlght Serenade, I believe) and Sayid says "what is it?" and Hurley says "you mean 'when is it?' " or something like that? They are receiving a communication from the past. And also that business with Naomi's phone, Charlie says it is not Penny's boat. They are not communicating with who they think they are. So perhaps this is not about communication but rather MIScommunication? Or future/past commuication? |
Super again on the sentence by TLG, “Find a place where you can find 815 and make it go away.”
| Quote: | | I think this is an instruction for a cover up. They can't find 815. The sender is telling the recipient to manufacture the "discovery" of 815, just find some place where they can say they found 815, and thereby make the whole situation go away. Then "certain people snooping around looking for answers that cannot be found" will give up their snooping, and these people can get on with their mysterious business. |
Rain on the TLG message:
| Quote: | I thought this was a transmission TLG picked up from the people who knows about the island and who knows the plane crashed there. And then they were giving orders to someone to find a place where they could pretend they found the plane - like the Sunda trench. And make it go away - either by "finding" the plane they then would make the whole thing go away (people snooping etc) or the plane go away (blow it up, or have it located in the deepest sea trench available).
Also TLG said the broadcast was live on December 23rd 2004. December 26th, 2004 was the date for the big earthquake in the Indian Ocean - and the following tsunami.
From the wiki on the Sunda Trench:
The trench is a seam of tectonic plates, the Burma and Sunda on the east, and the India Plate on the west. Deformation along the plate boundary, or subduction zone, resulted in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and the ensuing deadly tsunami on December 26, 2004.
So if they "found" the plane there like the day before, it would be no point for anyone to look for it after the earthquake...
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Vincent confirms that the focal point on image 221 is NOT communication (in spite of all those communicating devices ) but TIME.
Pen/Rain:
| Quote: | : If time is the key - and there are 5 portals per TLG, Rain and I were discussing how that would impact the photo.
We DO have some different "times" in the montage:
1. Black Rock's time when it would have crashed at island area 1881? (127 years ago - per TLG message)
2. When Richard would have appeared -- 1937? (71 years ago per TLG)
3. 815 crash time--- 2004 - - (TLG mention something 2 years ago and this would be closest although not on point precisely unless time moved faster since they crashed)
4. Flash Forward Jack - a time in the future from what we see as island time -- i believe we saw proof it was 2009 -- so he is 1 year ago per TLG blog
5. Sayid heard music from another time on the transmitter - it sounded like 1940s or so but arguably could just be an oldies station - 20 years ago?
6. Present time - we see Naomi in the photo crashed. That is present in our eyes as a viewer. |
Rain:
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Jack and Kate could be the 2 years ago recordings TLG talked about, representing the crash time. If time on the island moves slower than real time, Naomi landed in present time for her, but not for the Losties.
Per Lostpedia, "Moonlight Serenade" that Hurley and Sayid listened to were recorded in 1939. So that could also be the 71 years ago one, and Richard showed up to Ben around 20 years ago? |
AJ and IW
These two debate what 2f and 3f mean. They debate whether it is a boat slip for a docking area. It was discussed that it could be a marina slip, and Newport Beach is a possible location, since it was relevant in the Highway 101 game.
The Lost Gunmen are contacted and respond to AJ that they will check on whether 2f and 3f are relevant to a marina slip on Newport Beach.
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AJ found the picture of Jack and Kate that we had been unable to identify so far... it was from when they found Adam and Eve and the black and white stones in House of the Rising Sun.
Super:
| Quote: | Hmm, OK.
Naomi's futuristic cell phone, and Naomi herself, came from a different time, we think a few years in the future.
Richard seems to have been on the island for many years without aging.
Adam and Eve came from about 40-50 years in the (island's) past. But this photo is about he black and white stones, not sure what that means.
The Black Rock came from the past.
Jack is talking on his cell phone in the (not-too-distant) future.
Hurley and Satud receive a radio transmission from the past.
So this montage is about past/future, and how that whole thing is not always black and white? Just thinking out loud. |
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| Quote: | Or about how time overlaps, like the pictures overlap in the montage? Just thinking outloud too.
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AJ:
| Quote: | OK this is gonna be a ramble. Maybe in this ramble the answer will surface. Time is definitely a factor, but more specifically I think it's more When. When is Jack on the phone with Kate? When is the Black Rock from and when did it get there? When is Naomi's phone from? Hurley, "Or when are we?" When did Richard get to the Island? When are the skeletons from? When did Naomi see the island? Time is moving slower on the island. Is it because they are in a portal. A wormhole of sorts. Is time happening all at once around them? The Einstein quote on Miri's myspace, "The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once." Are the Losties in a place that time is irrelevant? Time moves slower, because there is no true time. Are they outside the space-time continuum? And Smokey then is kinda like the guardian of the gateway. Which ties in nicely with Cerberus. How long has Ben really been there. We assume 20 years based on his story. But Ben lies. Danielle has absolutely no concept of time. Didn't Danielle once say, "Has it really only been 16 years?" "Only fools are enslaved by time and space." If there is no true time on the island then the only thing keeping time are the Losties themselves. The more I look into the little things of Lost, the more I'm convinced that the answers to the show have always been there. We just didn't know where or when to look. Perfect example. Jack's 2009 luggage tag from the first official Lost website. We now know he made it back and is in 2009. If anyone still doubts that TPTB didn't have a true plan from the beginning then they are the ones Lost.
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Jeannie:
| Quote: | | I was editing while you were posting AJ; looks like we are kind of thinking along the same lines. There is something "wrong" with time as we know it on the island. |
Pen:
| Quote: | The list Super made above -- that is similiar to the portal list Rain and I did last night.
Much along the lines of Super, AJ, and Jeannie I agree -- this is not so much a question of what time happened first, but when the time happened at the island.
In other words -- when is it for any of the images we just saw.
Kate and Jack are dead on island yet there alive on the island. The Black Rock ship looks relatively new for an old slave ship while it is on the island with the Losties. Naomi appears with future technology on the cell phone (to the Losties 2004 standard of technology) Yet all appear together on the island. The portals bring time together, cause certain elements to overlap.
Okay - got that.
But WHEN IS THE ISLAND, if it is all of those times at once???? |
Vincent quoted AJ's "ramble" and said:
| Quote: | A good summary AJ  |
Rain noted that the picture had changed:
Then she identified the picture in the corner as Amelia Earhart:
Jeannie:
| Quote: | Numbers are also there over the pictures. All are white except two, which are in red. Listing them here for easy reference:
Amelia – 5.1
Black Rock – 9.5
Future Jack – .19
Phone – 0
Danielle – 200 Red
Naomi – 0
Richard – 16.0
Jack w/ stones – 600 Red
Sayid – 4.5
So what do these mean?
ETA: The phone and Naomi are pretty much current Island time, and they are labeled as zero. A starting point perhaps? |
Rain noted that there is also a math equation on the side of the satellite phone.
Super:
| Quote: | | That equation is about time. It begins with delta t, I think it is an expression of the change in time. |
Super:
| Quote: | I am glancing over some info on spacetime. I had to kill a wiki.
Quote:
The concept of spacetime combines space and time within a single coordinate system, typically with 4 dimensions: length, width, height, and time. Dimensions are components of a coordinate grid typically used to locate a point in space, or on the globe, such as by latitude, longitude and planet (Earth). However, with spacetime, the coordinate grid is used to locate "events" (rather than just points in space), so time is added as another dimension to the grid.
Could the numbers represent coordinates on a spacetime grid? |
| Quote: | That's a good idea Super.
Just posting out loud here. based on the numbers and assuming Naomi is the starting point.
16 BN Richard arrives.
9.5 BN Black Rock crashes on island.
5.1 BN Amelia and Fred get to the island.
4.5 BN (Before Naomi) Losties crash.
0 Naomi Arrives
.19 AN (After Naomi) Jack talking to Kate.
I have no idea about the red 200 and 500
Is the 500, the stones or Jack? I think it's the stones. |
Vincent:
| Quote: | | You are on the right track |
Rain:
| Quote: | One thing (well, one of many LOL) that confuses me, is that the other numbers are not so far apart compared to the red ones. If it's a timeline of sorts, like the one AJ made, 200 and 600 are so far from the other numbers.
Unless the red indicates those incidents are in some other timeline? |
Vincent quoted Rain's line about some other timeline and "said"
Super:
| Quote: | | So Jack and Danielle got dropped in from the outside and they are measuring time the "off-island" way? Whereas everything else in that picture is moving way faster or slower? Or is on a different timetable? |
Rain:
| Quote: | The picture on 221 now has sentences when you hover over with the cursor as well.
1. Over the satellite phone: Ben does not fit in with the others...Why???...
2. Over Sayid/the radio: A 1945 Radio transmission was heard 4.5 years later...
3. Amelia: If Amelia crashed here in 1937, she has been here only 5.1 years...How???...
4. Black Rock: The Black Rock has been here for only 9.5 years...That is why it is still in the shape it is...
5. Richard: Richard has only been here 16 years...which explains his youthful appearance...
6. Over Danielle: Danielle was shipwrecked over 200 years ago. Was Richard with her???...
7. The stones: Adam and Eve came to the island over 600 years ago...
(most of them show up around the numbers) |
Pen:
| Quote: | Okay here is where I am confused --
Danielle there 200 years? Wow - so Alex has been there a long time too...
The red is a different Axis - Jack. If Jack and Kate are still Adam & Eve, did they arrive there BEFORE Danielle somehow then????
Also - how can Richard only be there 16 years, yet the question be asked if he came there with Danielle, some 200 years ago? |
Vincent:
| Quote: | Let me tell you a story:
Say Danielle and Richard are on a ship that gets shipwrecked in the late 1790's on an island where there is a time dilation effect which means that every 28 days spent on the island are equivalent to a year in the real world.
16 (island) years after they arrive, a plane crashes out of the sky from September 2004.
The rest is history - or the future - or........ |
AJ:
| Quote: | just thought of something. Walt and Michael made it off the island. They have been living in real time for the past 2 years. 56 Island days. This will explain why Walt is so much older when we see him again.
OMG everything is coming together for me now. End of last season TPTB said there were 48 episodes left. But wouldn't explain why. They said when the show ended we'd understand. Thanks to VM I understand now. Island time I would say is mid December 2004. Naomi time is 2007 around November. Jack's luggage tag is from 2009. For that to be possible Jack would have to be back within 48 Island days. 1.7 real years. WOW. VM are you sure you aren't one of the writers. And you've just been messing with us this whole time. LOL.
Thank you for this wonderful game VM. And not for nuthin why don't you apply to be a writer for Lost while the strike is on. |
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Vincent:
| Quote: | You know I have always thought that LOST had to do with time and that island time ran differently from real time, but today I started making a huge spreadsheet using real information we know from the show, from Lostpedia, TLE and other sources and I managed to get the formula for the time dilation difference between island time and real time. Then when I started to plug in either the know arrival time (real time) of people or things and calculating back in island time of other things we know like the 16 year radio transmission of Danielle's things started to seem to fall into place. Even the fact that they seemed to drop clues like Sayid being specific about the 16 years or Jack saying Adam & Eve's clothes looked like they had deteriorated for 40 or 50 years, and Richard's funky pirate outfit. If this is true, I guess we know why we have never seen a Danielle flashback yet - now that would be some flashback!!!!
As for my math - yup - it could be a little off, but I don't think enough to make a difference.
Oh - and the only person so far that does not seem to fit is Ben, but I have a theory about that too.
I guess I should really take this to the Theories thread before my Mod's ban me |
| Quote: | I was just explaining everything to Jade, and she brought up a good point. I know VM's using vague numbers, only TPTB know the exact numbers. But Jade mentioned that TPTB once said the numbers don't matter. That the only number that really mattered was 23 and the other numbers were used around 23. So would it be a safe bet to assume that it's 23 Island days for every real year? Now that would tie in perfectly with the theme. Right?
You have no idea how this makes me feel right now. Year one we were all like wow Lost is awesome. Year two we want answers. Year three enough already. More answers, no more questions. And now thanks to VM we are getting the answers ourselves. I feel so good right now. I'm loving this. I think we are getting close enough to the truth that we can all give ourselves a huge pat on the back once all of Lost's secrets are revealed. Like I said earlier today. The answers were always there in season one, we just didn't know when or where to look. Now we do. |
Vincent:
| Quote: | I do believe we are getting much closer to discovering the truth, but also know that they may have a few curve balls for us. (I kind of hope they do )
Hmmm about 23. It does not seem on the surface to fit like 28, but them I am always saying that the answer does not always seem to fit right?
OK - so much for the 'Let's try to figure out LOST' tangent. I am going to post my theory in more detail in the Theory section.
I am sure that a lot of what we have learned today can be applied to clues in the 'Gold Pass' game. We still need to figure out what happened to Flight 815, if it was really found and what Libby, Penelope, Walt & Desmond have to do with it. |
Juju:
| Quote: | my thoughts on the portals are that they act much like an airport terminal. three for arrivals and three for departures. there's also got to be a central hub for continuity and the central hub also needs it's diametric opposite. so there could be 8 possibilities and 6 actual portals. (or insert any number of "star gate types"). i think a portal (time gate) could cease to exist if a paradox mistake was so significant that it affected the creation or continuation of that portal. maybe a geological disaster did disrupt something necessary or alter dimensions.
it looks like the mathematical equation on naomi's sat. phone is the "time dilation formula."
http://www.thebigview.com/spacetime/timedilation.html
the lorentz and galilean formulas are similar in theory and apply very well to what you guys figured out earlier. |
Jeannie posted Robert's new blog entry:
| Quote: | Well they did it!
Not long after Oceanic Airlines announced that the search for Flight 815 was completed and that they would be declaring all the passengers dead, the Sydney Morning Herald of December 24th 2004 reported that Flight 815 had been found in the Sunda Trench and had been video taped by robotic deep sea submersibles.
These guys must have access to Portal #S-01. We all know what happened in the Sunda Trench on December 26th 2004. Yup - the huge earthquake and tsunami. Anyone going looking to confirm the findings reported of the Flight 815 wreckage after the 26th will not find anything and it is explainable as the ocean floor opened up and 'swallowed' the wreckage.
You gotta give these guys credit for ingenuity |
Rain noted that Robert also put up a new picture on his blog:
AJ noted that we still need to figure out "2f" and "3f".
Rain:
| Quote: | | Did we ever found those papers with the Dharma symbol Miri told us about? Dharma Stigma or something? Or maybe they just contained the stuff we have already been told by TLG? |
Guesses about 2f and 3f:
Super said they reminded her of depth markings on a side of a pool.
IW wondered about boat slips, and about temperatures - 2 and 3 degrees Fahrenheit.
Super mentioned low frequency ranges, or ELF, used underwater.
There was a question whether Miri might have typo'd when she said Dharma "Stigma" and if it could be "Sigma" instead, as the symbol looks similar to the Greek Sigma symbol. AJ emailed Miri to ask and got this reply:
| Quote: | I saw the symbol on the front cover of a report that a man on an Oceanic plane to Portland had. Under the symbol was the text: Dharma Stigma - Confidential
Miri |
Super:
| Quote: | | Wiki says says "stigma" is also a sort of melding of the greek letters sigma and tau and in modern times is sometimes used to represent the number 6. SO maybe it refers to the 6th portal? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigma_%28letter%29
Pen:
| Quote: | And we have a 6 on the webcam image of the island.
Perhaps the report is about the island? The island is the Dharma Stigma?
ETA: in biology, Stigma (anatomy), a small spot, mark, scar, or minute hole.
A hole like a portal?
A scar like something you wish you could forget? (If the project with Dharma went askew - like on the island) |
AJ:
| Quote: | | I also heard back from TLG. 2F and 3F are still a mystery. They are not boat slips. Back to the old drawing board. |
Pen emailed Miri to ask if the traveler with the Dharma Stigma papers had sat in seat 2F or 3F on the plane.
Super also commented on how they are on top of each other and if that is significant.
3F
2F
Miri responded to Pen's email:
| Quote: | No - I am pretty sure he was further back than that. Nobody I can think of stands out.
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IW:
| Quote: | So the 2F and 3F, I think it could be harmonic timbres.
Harmonic Timbres
The points of local consonance for the harmonic timbre with partials at (f, 2f, ... , 7f ) are located at simple integer ratios. The results of the previous section explain this elegantly. Candidate points of local consonance are at intervals a for which fi = a fj. Since the partials are at integer multiples of f, a=n/m for integers n and m between 1 and 7. The principle of local consonance says that the most appropriate scale tones for harmonic timbres are located at such a, and indeed, all the points of local consonance of figure 3 occur at such values. The following table compares intervals in the 12-tet scale, intervals in the just major scale, and minima of a dissonance curve drawn for a timbre with nine harmonic partials.
http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/~sethares/consemi.html
I don't know who remembers but in one of our games we learned about certain people and civilizations using music to move objects, also V.M. had posted a story about the tones coming out of an organ pipe? |
Juju:
| Quote: | | well then if 3f and 2f refer to harmonic tendencies (f=frequency), then it may be pointing us toward the doppler effect and/or indicating the expanding universe and the rate of slow-down. it feels like we're in the right ballpark with that idea. |
Rain:
| Quote: | Miri, TLG and John Lantham now all have a friend in their top friends list on myspace called "Dharma Stigma" and with the dharma symbol from the billboard as profile picture.
The profile is set to private though, so we need to be added as friends before we can view it.
It does say "Secrets are revealed..." and Male, 99 years old and Antarctica. |
IW:
| Quote: | So I am thinking the DHARMA STIGMA file could be damaging evidence against DHARMA and one or all of it's experiments. I found another analysis of the word STIGMA which leads me to this conclusion. I think we are all aware that STIGMA has negative connontation. I thought at first this person flying to Portland was Richard or Eathan or someone we know, but now I am not sure. It could be someone trying to discredit DHARMA.
We conceptualize stigma as a process. It begins when dominant groups distinguish human differences -- whether "real" or not. It continues if the observed difference is believed to connote unfavorable information about the designated persons. As this occurs, social labeling of the observed difference is achieved. Labeled persons are set apart in a distinct category that separates "us" from "them."The culmination of the stigma process occurs when designated differences lead to various forms of disapproval, rejection, exclusion and discrimination. The stigma process is entirely contingent on access to social, economic and political power that allows the identification of differentness, the construction of stereotypes, the labeling of persons as different and the execution of disapproval and discrimination. |
Vincent quoted IW and said:
| Quote: | | That makes sense IW. How better to disguise evidence against Dharma than be using their own logo? |
IW:
| Quote: | Thanx V.M., I was thinking.... Ray Mullin had that logo next to him in one of our pictures. I assumed that because we ascertained that the logo was also a Dr. Who logo, that Ray Mullin was a time traveler. I wonder if it wasn't him on the flight to Portland? I'm sure he is not too happy with Dharma, since his wife was killed trying to correct a mistake made by DHARMA.
Also, as I was typing the above, I thought of Jack. He does have a Gold Pass and seems determined to figure out what's going on himself. Jack would probably be more likely to be the person on the flight, as I get the feeling that Ray Mullin may travel through time in a unique way, other than a conventional airplane. |
Super wondered if 2f and 3f might refer to floors on a building.
IW:
| Quote: | | Or maybe the 2F AND 3F are the names of either 2 of the incoming or 2 of the outgoing portals? Maybe F standing for "future" |
Super:
| Quote: | | So maybe they are 1/2/3F, and 1/2/3P, for "past?" Or they could all be F, for "frequency"? Fractal? Freak-out? |
AJ:
| Quote: | | Hey gang! You guys may be onto something with the notes. It was flight 108 that we found the organ. In the Needful Things store. |
IW:
| Quote: | Ya AJ that's right! I forgot about that.... The actual article I was referencing was here, on the scince page, bottom left corner, a portal to another page:
http://amasci.com/freenrg/audwall.html |
Super:
| Quote: | Do we think the six portals are the six stations? Or do we think Craphole Island itself if the portal, and the other 5 portals are other places around the world?
Maybe the jury is still out...? Personally, I am going with the island and 5 other places around the world.
Maybe the portal doesn't work for everyone, only certain kinds of people can activate/access it. People on "the list?" |
She wrote to TLG to ask if they had any thoughts on 2F and 3F.
Rain:
| Quote: | TLG posted a new blog at their myspace:
Friday, January 11, 2008
Find 815
Category: Travel and Places
Any of you following this Sam Thomas guy who is trying to find Flight 815? You know what they say about thinking with your heart instead of your head? If he is not careful, he is going to end up on the bottom of the ocean in the deepest part. He is definitely not trained for this kind of thing.
Oh - and does he even know what kind of airplane he is looking for? I wonder if he knows that a Boeing 777 has only two engines????
Stay tuned....we'll make sure this poor guy does not get himself killed
And they have a new profile pic:
ETA: It seems TLG also left a message on Sam's myspace:
Jan 11 2008 1:29 PM
Sam - your Mum called us. If you don't call her back, we may have to send Bertrand or your Granny after you Smile
(Not sure which would be worse) |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | Miri has left a comment there as well:
Jan 7 2008 9:46 PM
Be careful! You are in danger.
And Dharma Stigma:
Jan 9 2008 9:25 PM
We are watching you |
Juju:
| Quote: | ah, i went back to the oceanic main page to find the two letters regarding the disappearance of flight 815 and when i clicked on the "6 passengers" search button i got a brief pic. of some old guy in the middle of our i-ching/dharma logo (before it gives the schedule.) i can't get it back though.
got it. you have to clear cookies and stuff before it comes back.
dharmalogo.jpg
we didn't know this already, did we? because i so can't remember.
this says that the 747 has 4 engines.
http://oceanicworldair.com/PAC01IA023.jpg
this says that the 777 has 2 engines.
http://oceanicworldair.com/PAC04IA815.jpg
ETA: stamps??? "lot 49" was about postal service shenanigans. info on "f" stamp rates:
http://www.prc.gov/rates/stamphistory.htm |
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Jeannie:
| Quote: | I got to thinking after doing the summary, IF the 2f and 3f refer to harmonic frequencies, which is one of our guesses. Here's some more info on them http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci214502,00.html
Taking that to our time problem, maybe the portals exist where a harmonic signal disrupts another signal? And those disruptions allow for a portal between times. Just thinking here... |
Rain determined that the man on the Dharma Stigma picture was Bertrand Russell.
Per Jeannie: | Quote: | | Wow, busy guy. He was a Nobel Prize winner, a mathematician and a writer, who was brought up by his grandmother (which probably means nothing but makes me think of the "Granny" in the myspace comment.) He is known for Russell's paradox, which is a mathematical contradiction of set theory. It says that something can be a member of a set, and at the same time not a member of a set. |
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2191003.ece
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1950/russell-bio.html
Pen: | Quote: | Bertrand was a fan of Occam's Razor and Of note, our Bertrand was the victim of a plane crash in October 1948 in Trondheim, Norway. The plane was en route from OSLO - of which we were discussing as a possible city name from the streetlight photograph.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukken_Bruse_disaster |
New image posted by TLG on their myspace:
[img] http://a166.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_7e1bb49e0dfc72c1935fc364f6865235.jpg[/img]
Words were on the image – AJ:
| Quote: | Nice work gang.
ETA: Probably doesn't matter, but Miri's myspace plays Taking Chances, by Celine Dion. And TLG now have the Torchwood Theme.
ETA2:In the middle window on the bottom there seems to be a word added.
ETA3:Figured out a few things from the pic by reversing it.
OK we have New York
Dud
Om 2004
Tiam 200
Colorado 200
Osl 200
Montreal 200 |
New Miri Blog:
| Quote: | Someone is following me...
There is a man in a dark car following me. I took this pic with my cell - I can't make out the license plate - TS? - 5?6 I think - out of state plate - white with a crest in the middle. Car is a black sports car - not sure what make - I'm not real good at knowing cars....
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The white license plate was too small and blurry to make out the state and plate number.
AJ: The flights pg has exploded. new links to old sights.
131 - Thursday X - Global Welfare Consortium
207 - Thursday X - Lewis King Labs
214 - Thursday X - Allied Merchants
228 - Wednesday X - Aralia, Friday X - Globespotter Science
308 - Thursday X - Globe GPS
313 - Thursday X - Healthway Alliance
817 - Saturday X - a partial email for Miri, miri.novikov@...
AJ:
Blog from TLG
Monday, January 14, 2008
License Plate
AJ asked us to look into the license plate of the car that Miri took a picture of. If it is a Texas plate - you know who lives in Texas??? John Lantham Jr.
10:39 am - JUST CURIOUS, WHY THE DICKENS DID THEY GIVE US THE PRECISE TIME HERE?
AJ: | Quote: | So I know our street sign is in Canada. The problem has been finding Rue St Francois intersecting with Notre Dame O. Finally found it I think. It's in Portneuf-Station, QC G0A, Canada
Got one better. How bout this. Rue Notre Dame O. and Rue St. Francois-Xavier. Look at the sign pic again. Just above the red light... could that be an X?
An what is just around the corner... La Basilique Notre-Dame de Montréal. Course that's not the reflection in the window. |
SUPER – she identified the building of the stoplight picture to be THE ALDRED BUILDING.
AJ – reminded us that the picture of the building is relevant to “Dharma Stigma.”
SUPER - Looks like the reversed writing(from the photo of the Aldred Building) is from the Allied Copenhagen site. Check out the last seven entries on the schedule page. It toally matches
HELGUS HYPERIOS NEW YORK 08/08/2004
HELGUS ANTONIUS DUBAI 08/15/2004
ARDUS ADONIS OMAN 08/16/2004
HELGUS APOLLONIUS TIANJIN 08/23/2004
ARDUS OLYMPUS COLOMBO 09/04/2004
ARDUS PROMETHEUS OSLO 09/08/2004
HELGUS SPARTACUS MONTREAL 09/16/2004
SOmeone is telling us to take a closer look. Perhaps this has to do with Sam shipping out for the Sunda Trench?
NEW BLOG:
New Blog from JLjr.
| Quote: | Monday, January 14, 2008
A few things...
I have uncovered a few things that are leading me to think that something is not right. If my suspicions are right, we are all in a lot more danger than we think. I need to get some proof first, so need to find someone who can enhance the picture that Miri took of the dark car. I am heading to Montreal on the 30th to meet up with someone who may be able to shed some light on this mystery. I know I keep saying it, but don't trust anyone. I'll post the stuff I have soon.
Something happened in early 2002 that was the starting point. I have tracked it back that far. At least after December 31st 2001.
I'm trying to locate all the people involved, and dig into their past to see where their paths crossed if at all, and what is in their history. That's how I got to this point.
Any research you can do would be helpful - dates, places, names, aliases, whatever....
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IW: | Quote: | I sent a message to the new friend of Miri's with the Dharma Stigma picture:
"Hi new friend. I am curious about your Dharma Stigma. It looks so familiar.... Could you tell me a little about it or yourself. Hope you add me as a friend, we could all use new friends, right? Take care.
Island Wahine (Kim)"
His Response:
Keep your eyes and ears open. Need to keep hidden for now. Will contact you soon... |
it is significant to note that he has not added us as friends yet. Still not certain if this myspace character is a part of our mission.
New blog from JLjr:
| Quote: | Monday, January 14, 2008
Enhanced picture
I got a friend to enhance Miri's camera phone photo of the dark car:
[img] http://oceanicworldairlines.com/carenhanced.jpg[/img]
It looks like a Maryland plate - TSD 596. You will not believe who it is - or should I say 'was' registered to. I need to figure out what the heck is going on here. This does not make sense. |
RAIN noted that JLjr also added these pics:
Maryland License Plate TSD-596 - originally issued to The Lone Gunmen.
[img] http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j176/Rainflower_pusur/l_9310bdc2559806e2cf0433c2facd5d0f.jpg[/img]
License Plate TSD-596 - last seen April 2002.
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Maryland License TSD 596 on Black Holden - following Miri Novikov
PEN: | Quote: | Is that the van Hurley tried to start on the island?
It definitely is the same model and color. Is it property of Dharma or was it owned by Ben's father? Again, we have a Dharma reference in the van and another reference to Ben.
Conspiracy issue: I am in agreement with you guys, something seems fishy with TLG. And since we keep being told not to trust anyone, perhaps they have been compromised?
2002: The year 2002 is now an important starting point for the mystery, so I went digging a little. Specifically, "After December 31 2001" is mentioned by JLjr.
Guess what happened on Dec 31 2001: December 31st – Alvar Hanso makes a public appearance in Madrid, Spain, this is his last public appearance before his four-year hiatus due to his "imprisonment" by Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelwerk. (The Lost Experience)
So this links back to Hanso I think.
We were referenced Ben earlier in this game. In 2002, he asks Juliet to come to the island in exchange for curing her sister's cancer. I am not sure if that is relevant, but he was relevant before. |
OUR TOP DOG THREW US A BONE:
| Quote: | The van is pretty much the same as the Dharma vans. Hmmm....
Also correct about the Alvar Hanso connection.
Good work on the Montreal clue too! |
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Rain posted a new blog from JLJr:
| Quote: | Monday, January 14, 2008
Enhanced picture
I got a friend to enhance Miri's camera phone photo of the dark car:
It looks like a Maryland plate - TSD 596. You will not believe who it is - or should I say 'was' registered to. I need to figure out what the heck is going on here. This does not make sense. |
He also posted new photos in an album entitled File / DS-1013:
Maryland License Plate TSD-596 - originally issued to The Lone Gunmen.
License Plate TSD-596 - last seen April 2002.
Rain:
| Quote: | Did someone steal the license plate, or is TLG following Miri? If TLG is following Miri, it could be because they suspect she is a double agent. Or that someone will contact her that she doesn't realize is one of the bad guys. They did hack her e-mail earlier.
But when AJ asked TLG about the license plate earlier, they said it looked like a Texas license plate and that JLjr lives in Texas. Looks like TLG was trying to plass the "blame" on to JL, and JLjr to TLG. Unless someone has hacked one of the sites and is feeding us wrong information... It HAS been a while since TLG has posted anything on their blog. In his last blog JLjr said something was not right and everyone could be in a lot of danger - if TLG either has been discovered, or changed sides, that could be why he said that. |
Jeannie note - AJ later qualifies that AJ was the one who said it looked like a Texas plate, not TLG.
Pen:
| Quote: | Is that the van Hurley tried to start on the island?
It definitely is the same model and color. Is it property of Dharma or was it owned by Ben's father? Again, we have a Dharma reference in the van and another reference to Ben.
Conspiracy issue: I am in agreement with you guys, something seems fishy with TLG. And since we keep being told not to trust anyone, perhaps they have been compromised?
2002: The year 2002 is now an important starting point for the mystery, so I went digging a little. Specifically, "After December 31 2001" is mentioned by JLjr.
Guess what happened on Dec 31 2001: December 31st – Alvar Hanso makes a public appearance in Madrid, Spain, this is his last public appearance before his four-year hiatus due to his "imprisonment" by Dr. Thomas Werner Mittelwerk. (The Lost Experience) |
Vincent:
| Quote: | The van is pretty much the same as the Dharma vans. Hmmm....
Also correct about the Alvar Hanso connection.
Good work on the Montreal clue too! |
Rain and Super wonder if this means TLG are/were involved with Dharma or Hanso. Super also wonders if these are the real Lost Gunmen, or if it someone impersonating them.
Rain noted that JLJr added more pics to his myspace:
Labeled Surveillance Video 1:
Labeled Surveillance Video 2:
Labeled Immortality Connections:
Labeled Basilique Notre-Dame de Montreal
Labeled Montreal:
Pen:
| Quote: | Hydra's do not age....hmmm, and Richard does not age either. Plus we have Alvar back in our clue bag who we know does not age.
Interesting to link a hydra to immortality.
Hydra hatch -- on the separate island.
What IS Room 23 then if it relates somehow to the "naming" of the hatch? |
Rain:
| Quote: | The sentence that is highlighted from the Hydra wiki seems to be:
Hydras appear to be unique among animals in that they do not undergo senescence (aging).
And there seems to be a person in the van in the surveillance video pic.
ETA: Interesting about Room 23 Pen, I think I always thought it was to do with behaviour modification, but perhaps it was also to do with aging research?
If both Alvar and Richard has been able to leave the island without aging when getting back to the "real world", maybe they have found a permanent non-aging cure.
With TLG, it does seem a bit out of character for them to be hacking Miri's e-mail. And if both she and them are working on the same side, there doesn't seem to be any need for them to hack the e-mail.
ETA2: The picture of the Ankh symbols is from the wiki page on Immortality I think:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality
The red underlining isn't on the original picture - the words underlined seems to be: immortality, Egyptian, Möbius, infinity, Ouruboros
Killed another wiki for Ouruboros: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros |
Super:
| Quote: | | I wish we could find out when the Maryland tag was originally registered to TLG. It doesn't have top be original to the vehicle (which was built from 1949 to 1967.) That tag could have been newly issued whenever the vehicle came into TLG posession. It looks like a late 1970s T2 model. |
AJ noted that JLJr has changed his "about me" info on myspace:
| Quote: | About me:
“The future is not a result of choices among alternative paths offered by the present, but a place that is created--created first in the mind and will, created next in activity. The future is not some place we are going to, but one we are creating.”
My name is John Lantham Jr. My father was John Lantham. He was found dead in his apartment in L.A. but I know he did not kill himself. That is what THEY want everyone to think.
I'm 19 years old, and on my own now. I am determined to find out what really happened to my father.
Watch this space for information I find out about the people that I am sure killed my father, may be involved with Flight 815, and are following Miri Novikov. My life is in danger, so I will post everything I find in case something happens to me.
Also he has a slide show of the survalence pics and the X-Files theme now plays on his pg. |
Super:
| Quote: | "The future.. blah blah blah" is a quote, from some dude named John Schaar. Looking him up...
JLjr is young and perhaps impetuous. I hope we can help guide him!
ETA political theorist, 80 years old, still teaches at UC Santa Cruz. The dead wiki says "His central political values include community, democracy, authority, and political participation. He believes in decentralization of political and economic power."
JLjr left out the next line of the quote, which to me was really interseting: "The paths are not to be found, but made, and the activity of making them, changes both the maker and the destination." |
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Rain noted that JLJr posted a moving gif pic on his myspace:
That was labeled "Robert Francis Bond compared to John Fitzgerald Byers... "
He also posted a new blog:
| Quote: | Tuesday, January 15, 2008
TSD 596
As you know - the Maryland license plate TSD 596 which was on the black Holden that was following Miri was registered to The Lone Gunmen - specifically to John Fitzgerald Byers - originally registered to him in May 1989.
The registration continued to be registered to Byers at his Baltimore, MD address, in spite of the fact that Byers, along with his partner Lone Gunmen, Melvin Frohike and Richard Langly apparently died and were buried in Arlington National Cemetery in 2002.
The renewal was done online, but I managed to trace the origin to Albuquerque, NM. The renewal was continued from 2002 to date and is still registered to the 1973 Volkswagen Type 2 Van. |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | I love it! The Lone Gunmen of X Files - I never really did believe they died. Are they back in New Mexico with Scully and Mulder? Wasn't that where they ended up in the series finale?
Great work today, gang! I hate being out of the office.
eta: For those who didn't watch the X Files (and shame on you) that is the van the Gunmen drove in the X Files show. They were huge conspiracy theorists, and were also excellent computer hackers, as well as major videogame players.
And one of the reasons that people don't believe they died in the final season of the X-Files (they sacrificed themselves to stop a bio-terrorist) was that their bodies were never seen, and their caskets were the wrong size. Hmm... THAT reminds me of a weird sized casket and a body we didn't see in the Lost Season 3 finale. |
Rain:
| Quote: | So does this mean Byers didn't die, but just continued on under a new name? If TLG somehow is involved with Dharma, and they really have figured out a non-aging process, I suppose staging your own death every now and then might be necessary. It's one thing to live for 400 years on the island, but if you continue living in the real world people will start to ask questions.
Or if TLG is still good guys, he could have changed his name in order to hide better from the people coming after him.
Since you mentioned the x-files Jeannie - when I read the wiki on the Ouruboros it seems Scully had a tattoo of it in one of the episodes. |
Jeannie killed a Wiki on The Lone Gunmen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Gunmen
And quoted this description of the pilot of their X-Files spin-off show, noting that it shows John Byers has been involved in a fake death conspiracy before:
| Quote: | The debut of the show in March of 2001, began with Byers' father faking his death to uncover a conspiracy to hijack an airliner. The lone gunmen try to get to the truth of his supposed death and uncover the conspiracy.
One retrospectively interesting aspect of this pilot episode is that the airliner has been hijacked (via remote control of the plane's autopilot) and, by the end, both Byers and his father have boarded the plane to try to stop the hijacking. Through the aid of the other Gunmen, they are able to regain control of the plane and just miss crashing into the World Trade Center with the airliner. This, of course, is before the actual attack against the Trade Centers later that year. |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | I always assumed that our Lost Gunmen were similar to The Lone Gunmen, but not the same since The Lone Gunman had died years ago. Or did they? Now I have to wonder.  |
Juju:
| Quote: | Ouruboros
the x-files ep. was "never again." there's a chemical (ergot alkaloid) in the tattoo ink that causes hallucinations. the best part is jodie foster is the voice. |
Jeannie:
| Quote: | I meant to say last night that I don't believe this necessarily means that TLG are the bad guys either. There could be other explanations. For example plates get stolen off of cars and moved to other cars all the time. Or if TLG are following Miri, maybe they know something - like she is in danger - and are trying to protect her. Why wouldn't they contact her directly? Well, they've already scared her once, she might not believe them. Or maybe they are afraid to approach her for fear of putting her in more danger.
TLG has the great X Files line, "The truth IS out there..." on their myspace. The whole quote as it was said on the show is "The truth IS out there... but so are many lies." We're just going to have to be careful and figure out what is the truth and what isn't.
Another great X Files line was "It's easier to tell a lie when it's sandwiched between two truths." So sometimes things may seem to be true, and may mostly BE true... but we have to watch for the lies that are sandwiched in between to throw us off. |
AJ posted JLJr's newest blog:
| Quote: | Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Montreal
I am heading to Montreal on January 30th and plan to be in the area of Basilique Notre-Dame around 4pm local time. I am supposed to meet someone there who may have some important information for us.
So far, I think that The Lone Gunmen never really died in 2002, but went underground to continue their work, resurfacing later as The LOST Gunmen.
Somehow there are ties to Hanso, and I believe the death of my father and Mittlewerk - who knows what else.
I will keep in touch...
JLjr |
Some discussion on what items are unsolved, including 2F, 3F, Dharma Stigma, and Bertrand Russell's connection.
Vincent:
| Quote: | I agree there is lots to solve. Like isn't it interesting how both The LONE/LOST Gunmen AND Alvar Hanso 'disappeared' in 2002 and reappeared in 2006, after 4 years of disappearance.
In fact, The LOST Gunmen appeared first on June 7th 2006, a month after Rachel Blake hacked the Hanso Foundation's website as Persephone.
...and The LOST Gunmen appeared in Albuquerque NM, where we have visited before and home to a special institute among other things... |
Vincent:
When AJ noted that nothing had changed on the Widmore Group site either, Vincent said...
| Quote: | | It still might be worth studying for future reference |
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| Quote: | | One other thing I notice, on our flight page, flight 213's times of flight. It is the only one that lists military time! The flight leaves at 4:13 p.m and arrives at 15:23 P.M. which is weird to me cuz when you use military time you don't add an A.M or P.M... just something that was curious to me.... The numbers must be significant. |
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Dharma Stigma (now known to be Jimmy) left a comment at Sam's myspace (Sam is part of the official Lost game):
| Quote: | “We really don't have enemies. It's just that some of our best friends are trying to kill us.”
Posted by DHARMA STIGMA on Monday, January 14, 2008 at 5:20 PM
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| Quote: | New blog from JLjr
Monday, January 21, 2008
Uncovering evidence
OK, I have been busy poking around and talking to people. Here is what I know. Although the Lone Gunmen were supposedly buried in Arlington National Cemetery in 2002...
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He went on to say that their graves were exhumed to reveal:
| Quote: | Oh yeah - rubber aliens! Some joke huh?
When I looked into Robert Bond and the other 'LOST Gunmen' there is NO information about them prior to June 2006 - NOTHING. They did not exist.
In June 2006 however they magically appeared in Albuquerque, NM.
The car that has been following Miri is an Australian Holden Commodore SS. They only make them in Australia, but they can be exported, and in fact the 2008 Pontiac G8 is based on the Holden Commodore and will be manufactured and exported from Holden in Elizabeth, Australia.
Interesting side note. Sam from Find815, his dog is named Holden. |
He also posted this picture:
AJ:
OK Gang lotta good stuff here. 131 Pic now has Russell Faraday scrawled across it. And we all know Russell Faraday is another one of Randall Flagg's names. http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/131.htm
The dot above the A by Walt's shoulder mouseover FUTURE. There is a link to here. http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/jan31.jpg
And gives us this newspaper clipping.
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http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/jan31.jpg[/img]
The image was stegoed and called for a password.
After a ton of speculating, one of AJ's first attempts, "randallflagg" was found to be the password (thanks to Algo and Jeannie for a team save)
A lot of speculation was circulated as to whether the newspaper article was significant. The Top Dog ultimately told us not to worry about what the french article said.
After the page was opened with "randallflagg" password:
Algo:
| Quote: |
The hidden file is Jan31s.jpg It is basically the same newspaper page, the differences I can see are:
1)A L'HOMME MORT (The man who died).
2) The date has been changed. It is 31 January 2008, Thursday
Additionally, the flight pages which are linked to in /2008 page saying "Flight Information is not currently available - please try again later..." have a hidden code in the source code which translates to neddihthe oceanic 6 knowegassem -> the hidden oceanic 6 know message.
BTW, miri's email is miri.novikov@oceanicworldairlines.com Had we found that out? |
<---- this is a link on OWA in case anyone did not notice that one -- bottom row of X's ....
Then Algo found:
Speculation re: page differences on newspaper article:
AJ:
| Quote: | | There are a few differences between the two pages. Wednesday February 17th 1779. And the new on is Thursday January 31st 2008. Also the bottom article on the left from 1779 is a l'homme rendu, got a few different translations, "has the man returned?" Or "with the returned man." And from 2008 a l'omme mort, few different translations too, "has the man died?" Or with the dead man." So which one is right? |
Super:
| Quote: | Well, "the dead man" could mean JLSr. Maybe he is not dead? OR of course theTLG who were not in their caskets. But it says Man, not men, so I think that is wrong.
If it's "has the man died" then maybe we should be worried about some of our sleuthing friends. |
DHARMA STIGMA RESPONDED TO AJ:
| Quote: | Date: 21/01/2008
We The Super Sleuth Gang are your friends. We are not trying to kill you as you say some of your friends are. We want to help.
AJ
I believe you. For now, I must still hide my true identity. There are people in your Super Sleuth Gang who can probably figure out who I am, but it will not be easy. |
AJ then had an idea to trap TLG.
Vincent banned them from the forum.
AJ:
| Quote: | OK here's the plan gang.
JLjr is going to be in Montreal on January 30th around 4pm in the vicinity of Notre Dame. He is meeting with some one to hopefully shed some light on the current situation with TLG. In my personal opinion I do not believe TLG to be bad, but there is definitely something strange going on. I would like to find out one way or another.
I came up with this plan back when Miri was first being followed and suspicion arose around TLG. Knowing their abilities I did not want to divulge too much information in any place they could find it. We are now less than 5 days away from the 30th.
Miri has agreed to be the bait. She will be arriving in Montreal at 4pm on the 30th. I have instructed her to go to Parc Angrignon. It's about 10 mins away from Notre Dame.
Rain and Super will come with me to keep an eye on Miri. We will be position so that at least on of us can see Miri at all times. While the other two of us can see the parking lot and the person watching Miri. The easy way would be for us to spot the van in the parking lot and sneak up on them. But we'll just have to wait and see. I've marked the map below with our positions. |
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| Quote: | As for everyone else they will be near Notre dame keeping an eye on JLjr. I have a suspicion that whoever is following Miri is doing so in hopes of finding JLjr. I believe he is the real target, which is why I've sent an email to TLG telling them that JLjr's blog was a phony to deceive anyone trying to stop him. I told them he is goint to be at Parc Angrignon. Now if everything goes according to plan then we may finally get some answers. But if not I don't want to leave Jljr or Miri unguarded. And if my further suspicions are correct we may be going on a rescue mission in the future. The Lone Gunmen were said to have died while helping Mulder and Scully. I never believed they died. Then The Lost Gunmen show up to help us. Immediately I assumed it was The Lone Gunmen with new names under a new moniker. Now a license plate registered to them is following Miri. Personally I believe TLG are being impersonated. Either impersonated from the start or recently abducted. Either way we need to know the truth.
I'd like to hope this goes off without a hitch, but based on previous flights I'm sure there's gonna be a monkey wrench or two. LOL |
We all began speculating who Dharma Stigma Is.
His page went public, and we discovered his location to be Antartica.
Pen:
| Quote: | Recap from Vincent re: Antarctica. This recap was during Flight 108, referencing our journey there during Flight 213:
To recap, we now know that the Dharma people took a pillar from Antarctica in Flight 213, that had a hidden tablet that is a map and heiroglyphs.
The heiroglyphs are not a known language (Dog language I think)
The map shows several locations. The pyramid with the eye shows Giza in Egypt. |
and Pen:
| Quote: | From 213 link on OWA:
Quote:
Leg #7 found an underground hall with lots of clues in Antarctica. Dharma seems to have beaten us there and have left with some artifacts |
Rain: discovered DS has a new profile picture:
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AJ contacted DS again:
| Quote: | We are all hard at work trying to figure out who you are. A few questions if you don't mind.
Were you with us on flight 213?
Why are you in Antarctica now?
When you say your friends are trying to kill you, do you mean the company you work for or were you part of an elite group that had a falling out?
Thanks
AJ
I was not with you on Flight 213. I am not actually in Antarctica - I did not want to post my actual location.
I was part of a group and things have changed, but perhaps not the way you think. I will be giving John some important information next week in Montreal which should lead him to a way to get to the truth. You can trust John but be wary of others. They are not who they seem to be. Trust me - of all people - I would know. |
AJ: New pic found on DS's myspace:
IW -- identified the car as a Pontiac Firebird.
PEN:
| Quote: | I have identified Dharma Stigma.
His myspace page acclaims: "I can count to 20 in Mexican."
Well this feat was proclaimed by none other than Jimmy Bond, a 4th member of the Lone Gunmen:
JIMMY: Special skills? Well - I can count to 20 in Mexican.
The Lone Gunmen
Episode 5: Three Men And A Smoking Diaper
Facts on Jimmy: Quote:
Jimmy Bond (Stephen Snedden) - another "fourth member", who joined the trio in The Lone Gunmen series. Though he shares the bravery and physicality of his namesake, he initially appears to be rich but not very bright, and is fascinated with the trio, who often consider him a nuisance. His saving grace is his boundless optimism, coupled with an idealistic view that the jaded Gunmen wish they still held.
Check out the wiki photo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Bond
IDENTICAL HAIR to our profile on myspace!! |
PEN emailed Ds:
Okay so i figured you out.
Here's the wiki on you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Bond
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What I want to know Mr. Bond, is what you know about the LOST Gunmen? Are they your friends? Or are your friends being impersonated by a group feigning similiarity?
I know you were very perceptive, more than those three often gave you credit for. Can you divulge any information you may have right now to what is about to take place on 1/31?
An ally,
Penelope |
Speculation on whether DS is friend or foe:
AJ: | Quote: | Based on this new information I think those of you watching JLjr should keep a really good eye on him. Something tells me DS is the one not to be trusted.
What if he's the one that has been impersonating TLG? Which would mean TLG are in trouble. I don't know anymore. Everything and everyone has become very suspicious. Everyone stay on your guard on Wednesday. |
PEN received response from DS/Jimmy Bond:
| Quote: | Good work Penelope! Yes, I am Jimmy Bond. I figured that everyone knew me
How do I know where your allegiance lies?
I think we are going to have to wait a few more days before the truth can be told....
The name is Bond, Jimmy Bond... |
AJ - noted that BOND was same last name as Robert Bond of Lost Gunmen...
RAIN: Noticed DS changed his avatar on myspace:
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ALGO:
| Quote: | http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/306.htm now shows a laptop which is property of Oceanic Airlines. The web page is about a book called "Fantastic Voyage". It is a book about prolonging life. The actual page on the screen is http://www.fantastic-voyage.net/QandA.htm
And there is a link to a 306b.htm. This page is interesting.
The plate on DS's myspace photos page is MODIV 8 and the owner according to http://oceanicworldairlines.com/2008/306b.htm is James Bond. James and Jimmy.Any difference? Because if there is a difference, it may mean that the Jimmy Bond we know may be an impersonator.
Current Owner Number is 974895-9048579. The previous owner number is 978384-0392893.
And the book on the page is "Forever and Ever" written by Dan A Baker. It is a fiction about gene engineering and prolonging life.
Whoever owns this computer is really into life extension. I believe he or she is working on the life extending properties of the island.
11121 Bookshire Avenue is the address of Downey City Library in Downey, CA. Maybe we should look for a clue in this library? |
SUPER:
| Quote: | | I looked up the book, they don't seem to have it. That must be a mistake, if VM gives us two clues that are a book and a library they would seem to go together. No time to call, I am dashing of to a meeting. Anybody have a few minutes to call California? |
JLjr New blog:
| Quote: | Wish me luck...
Well tomorrow is it. Wish me luck. I will leave something in case something happens to me. You will know where to find it. Hopefully it will not be needed, but you never know....
JLjr
p.s.: Keep on seeking the truth! |
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